The 50 most expensive NBN installations in Australia – all have one thing in common

Do we need to go there again?

As Four Corners prepares to cover the NBN tonight, we need to brace ourselves for another onslaught of “what’s wrong with the NBN” stories including questions about the cost, effectiveness and delivery of the NBN.

So while Four Corners looks like doing nothing positive (the blurb on their website is titled “What’s wrong with the NBN?” and has nothing but quotes which appear to be anti-NBN) perhaps we need to remind ourselves why the original Fibre to the Premises model under the previous government just wasn’t adding up.

Cost and time.  Both were going to be an issue when you dig up every single street and every single yard in the Fibre footprint that covered 93% of Aussie homes.

Today, a whole suburb can be switched on using the existing HFC (Pay TV cable) or Copper phone lines, and anyone arguing that isn’t cheaper is kidding themselves.

So here’s a great example – the NBN have published a list of the top 50 installation costs for NBN – and surprise surprise they all have one thing in common:

Suburb State Technology Activation Cost ($) Property Type
RAVENSWOOD TAS FTTP 91,196 Residential
INVERMAY TAS FTTP 86,533 Commercial – Sports facility
KINGSTON TAS FTTP 55,766 Residential
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 51,464 Commercial – Business
RELBIA TAS TAS FTTP 44,157 Residential
CARWOOLA NSW FTTP 41,714 Residential
STRATHFIELD NSW FTTP 41,304 Commercial – Business
MOUNT COTTON QLD FTTP 40,063 Residential
RIVERSIDE TAS FTTP 39,166 Residential
WEST LAUNCESTON TAS FTTP 38,527 Residential
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 36,389 Residential
RELBIA TAS FTTP 34,923 Residential
RIVERSIDE TAS FTTP 34,734 Residential
RELBIA TAS FTTP 34,608 Residential
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 30,573 Commercial – Business
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 28,348 Residential
PINKENBA QLD FTTP 27,382 Commercial – Industrial
PORTSMITH QLD FTTP 26,829 Residential
LONDONDERRY NSW FTTP 26,071 Residential
KNUCKEY LAGOON NT FTTP 25,665 Residential
KINGSTON TAS FTTP 25,154 Residential
LAKE WENDOUREE VIC FTTP 22,094 Commercial – Sports facility
MASLIN BEACH SA FTTP 22,049 Commercial – Industrial
BAKERY HILL VIC FTTP 21,669 Residential
MIDDLE RIDGE QLD FTTP 21,574 Residential
GLENNING VALLEY NSW FTTP 21,074 Residential
CARWOOLA NSW FTTP 20,741 Residential
CARWOOLA NSW FTTP 20,560 Residential
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 20,550 Commercial – Business
LONDONDERRY NSW FTTP 20,488 Residential
UTAKARRA WA FTTP 19,919 Commercial – Sports facility
BAKERY HILL VIC FTTP 19,911 Commercial – Community
BALLARAT CENTRAL VIC FTTP 19,858 Commercial – Business
SOUTH MACKAY QLD FTTP 19,732 Commercial – Sports facility
WINNELLIE NT FTTP 19,422 Residential
YARRAWONGA NT FTTP 19,406 Commercial – Industrial
BALLARAT EAST VIC FTTP 19,020 Commercial – Business
REDWOOD QLD FTTP 18,429 Residential
WINNELLIE NT FTTP 18,251 Residential
NORTHGATE QLD FTTP 17,893 Commercial – Industrial
THE RIDGEWAY NSW FTTP 17,824 Residential
TENAMBIT NSW FTTP 17,765 Residential
CARWOOLA NSW FTTP 16,380 Residential
GERALDTON WA FTTP 15,054 Residential
BRENTWOOD WA FTTP 14,886 Commercial – Sports facility
UTAKARRA WA FTTP 14,800 Residential
WONTHELLA WA FTTP 14,658 Commercial – Industrial
EAGLE FARM QLD FTTP 14,599 Residential
MOULDEN NT FTTP 14,583 Commercial – Community
GREENFIELDS WA FTTP 14,424 Commercial – Industrial
KNUCKEY LAGOON NT FTTP 14,387 Residential
KNUCKEY LAGOON NT FTTP 14,269 Residential
WEBBERTON WA FTTP 13,993 Commercial – Industrial
KNUCKEY LAGOON NT FTTP 13,862 Residential
MARRARA NT FTTP 13,559 Commercial – Sports facility
BARRAGUP WA FTTP 13,385 Residential
MERU WA FTTP 12,721 Residential
NUNDAH QLD FTTP 12,647 Residential
PORTSMITH QLD FTTP 12,532 Residential
MURRUMBA DOWNS QLD FTTP 12,260 Residential
SILVER SANDS WA FTTP 11,820 Commercial – Business
SEAFORD SA FTTP 11,279 Commercial – Business
ALDINGA BEACH SA FTTP 11,208 Residential
LYNTON SA FTTP 11,071 Residential
NAILSWORTH SA FTTP 10,955 Commercial – Industrial
VICTOR HARBOR SA FTTP 9,832 Residential
SELLICKS BEACH SA FTTP 9,306 Residential
YANKALILLA SA FTTP 9,210 Commercial – Industrial
KALBEEBA SA FTTP 9,011 Residential
STRATHALBYN SA FTTP 8,916 Residential

Yep, they all got the original Fibre to the Premises installation.

 

While we’d all love to have Fibre, we need to be realistic and see the 25mbps minimum as a benefit to many, and the bulk of the homes getting much higher speeds.

But we could debate this for days and days and days.  In the end, it’s time (again) to leave the politics out, and just let NBN get on with the job of finishing the network.

 

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10 Comments on this post.
  • JAMIE
    23 October 2017 at 12:54 pm
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    trevor long, you are a fucking retard

    • Trevor Long
      23 October 2017 at 1:15 pm
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      Ahhh, nothing better than an anonymous fibre troll who tries to insult me but instead just slanders the disabled and disadvantaged… nice one!

  • Matt W
    23 October 2017 at 1:08 pm
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    The Mt Cotton $40,063 FttP connections are as a result of the MtM. They were installed in 2016. Why did NBNco spend this much on them when there are faster (to install), cheaper alternatives such as Skymuster (at around $8000 per premises)? How any others on this list were installed post 2013 when NBNco were supposed to change over to the MtM?

    • Trevor Long
      23 October 2017 at 1:14 pm
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      Did you want the NBN to down tools and stop everything when the government changed? Of course lots of FTTP continued post the change, because they have to do exploratory work on every single area first

  • Carl Thomson
    23 October 2017 at 1:50 pm
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    Need to think like your surname. Long term benefits rather than short term cost savings. Both the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd and the Abbott/Turnbull Governments have done some things wrong with the NBN. But if the previous Howard Government and before that the Hawke/Keating Government sorted out Telstra (then Telecom ) properly we would not have been in this mess in the first place.

    • Trevor Long
      23 October 2017 at 2:35 pm
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      Carl, they have ALL done things wrong, that’s why i say , TIME and TIME again – we have to remove the politics. We have a plan, lets finish it – going back and revisiting the original plan achieves a grand total of zero.

  • Joseph
    23 October 2017 at 2:06 pm
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    It’s amazing what passes as journalism these days. You are clearly very uninformed on the topic you’re writing about, or this is just another LNP shill article.

    Claiming that “a whole suburb can be switched on using the existing HFC (Pay TV cable)” is just plain wrong. Most premises in these areas do not have an existing lead-in, and so this needs to be installed anyway… just like FTTP.

    As such, just as many are having their gardens ripped up installing HFC lead-ins as there were for FTTP (and in many cases more, as the diameter for a HFC lead-in is much greater than FTTP with new technologies like skinny fibre).

    “Cost and time” was a valid argument had the MTM actually delivered anywhere near the 25/5 by 2016, and for half the current cost, that was promised when the LNP was elected in 2013. Clearly that didn’t happen.

  • Mike
    23 October 2017 at 2:54 pm
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    Who would have thought that running wires across regional and rural Australia was expensive…???

  • Nicko
    23 October 2017 at 4:15 pm
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    Thats great and all, did you ever bother to consider upkeep cost of each technology? What about remediation costs of copper… do we have any info about that from NBN?
    What about long term viability, would FTTN even be able to provide the speeds required in the future?
    And FTTN right now is failing to even deliver 25/5 in alot of areas, NBN will only guarantee 12/1 for the first 18 months. Thats because the copper is in a really poor state in some areas, also they have done a bad job of node placement in several areas, making it so that properties are 1km+ away from the node.
    Lastly can you explain how it was possible that we were able to roll out copper, sewers, water, electricity to most properties in Australia in the past, why is it suddenly too expensive to roll out fibre?

    • Trevor Long
      25 October 2017 at 7:57 pm
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      // Thats great and all, did you ever bother to consider upkeep cost of each technology? What about remediation costs of copper… do we have any info about that from NBN?

      – Remediation costs are included in the current NBN budget, they own the copper to do it, its factored into the average install cost.

      // What about long term viability, would FTTN even be able to provide the speeds required in the future?

      – Absolutely, FTTN can be upgraded at the node with no additional work, and then – as we’ve seen elsewhere perhaps even draw the Fibre closer again – but that’s distant future stuff.

      //And FTTN right now is failing to even deliver 25/5 in alot of areas, NBN will only guarantee 12/1 for the first 18 months. Thats because the copper is in a really poor state in some areas, also they have done a bad job of node placement in several areas, making it so that properties are 1km+ away from the node.

      – No, the copper in a poor state is NOT anything to do with speeds right now, in ADSL shared periods for 18 month there is some reported speed degredation.

      – Re distance, consider that those 1km from the Node are many many K’s from the EXCHANGE so their current ADSL would be awful. 25 is what they can get, anything less they will be on Fixed Wireless.

      // Lastly can you explain how it was possible that we were able to roll out copper, sewers, water, electricity to most properties in Australia in the past, why is it suddenly too expensive to roll out fibre?

      – Ahh, thats an easy one – Politics. Our crappy government structure means no Government has the balls to do what we really need – sorry to say it…

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